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Самая старая пуля в Америке?

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Краткое содержание: Интервью о находках на острове Хаттерас: следы кузницы в индейском поселении, артефакты и датировки, которые указывают на активность конца XVI — начала XVII века. Собеседники обсуждают, как по слоям, металлургическим остаткам и зубам животных определяют время, а также что это говорит о ранних контактах и жизни колонистов и местных племён.

Основные тезисы:

  • Найдена кузнечная окалина и следы активной кузницы в индейском поселении; это подтверждается многочисленными постовыми ямами и очагами.
  • Обсуждается «бронебойная» мушкетная пуля с железным сердечником, найденная в челюсти оленя; химический анализ и углеродные датировки помогают уточнить возраст находки.
  • По слоям и сопутствующим предметам делается вывод о датировке конца XVI века; упоминаются технологические признаки и состав сплава.
  • Поднимается тема происхождения артефактов и контактов (англичане/испанцы), а также последствий для местных общин.
  • Собеседники связывают находки с историей «потерянной колонии» и обсуждают, как новые методы уточняют прошлые гипотезы.

Значимость: История о находках и датировках артефактов ранней колониальной эпохи на Хаттерасе и их интерпретации.

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The Oldest bullet in America?

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Boom. All right. Hey, let me see that shirt Scott Sick You got her face folded a little bit Yeah, that's pretty cool All right, so I want to go over some of the latest. Well, I don't know if it's latest the latest news I heard from your archeology archeological expeditions is That you found a hammer scale Which is the byproduct from blacksmithing and some teeth that were carbon dated to the 16th century Which the reason that's important is that means there are a blacksmith forge in the Coateau and Indian Village and were you able to deter tell me what you determined from the teeth as well? Obviously if there's a blacksmith forge, there's people that made it, but let's know Who did what I if why how do you know it was in that village and What's the significance of this find? Well, we know it was in the pro atone Indian Village because there's over 700 post holes from the long houses that we've traced out entire long houses many many times and fire pits and everything else It's definitely a pro atone village. There's thousands of pieces of their pottery and tobacco pipes There's pro atone people buried there. That's never fun to find but we've run into that before it's obviously their village But right in the middle of it is a blacksmith forage and it's an active forage because there's hammer scale which is the byproduct from Heating up metal and beating it on anvil the little sparks that fly off are actually Tiny flakes of iron and no one pays them any mind But it accumulates a ton of it after a while the more you use it the more you get So you can't really carbon date flakes of iron But you can date it stratigraphically which means by the layer that it's in you data layer at all is from the old world well, obviously right um the Way that you can date it stratigraphically is by the most recent thing in a layer dates the layer So you could have something You know from the 1500s, but if it's in the laying next to some coin from 1620 Then it didn't you know, it's 1620 you got it. You're not gonna have future stuff You can always hang on to stuff, but you can't grab something from the future. So Pretty simple you date the layer by the most recent thing in it. Well, the most recent thing in that layer is From the 1500s, but just as another data point we carbon dated teeth with some help from our friends in California and Best graffiti is the one that got that done and well, there's a lot of people involved but we have now for carbon dates and for the 16th century, so We already knew that but now just adds a little more weight and So that was kind of the latest update and now we've got even more cool stuff. So that's what I was coming to tell you about The first one is a jacketed musket ball most people know musket balls are made out of lead Well, this one has an iron core. It's an armor piercing round to get through a Spanish breastplate But it hit Bambi We know it traveled through the skull through the top jaw and then got lodged into the mandible of the bottom part of the Jaw and carried some of the teeth and pieces of skull with it The iron has oxidized out and is obvious But to the naked eye, you can't see any lead and you can't see anything except for the iron and So I had no idea that this deer had been shot by a musket ball And I thought perhaps I use an iron spear which would also be You know not native because anything iron at this age is coming from somewhere else so I wanted them to look at it in the lab and With the PXRF machine you can get the elemental breakdown of things smaller than a grain of sand and The lead is in the bone still you just can't see it. It's like when you turn a black light on in a teenager's room So It ended up being 14% lead. Hey Lindsey Graham looks like a ghost exactly his lady bugs is 14% lead and the rest of his iron and except for 2% which is 10 and That's even better because the exact composition of a jack-o-lantern musket ball. They add a little bit of tin When they're melting the lead down to before they make it into a ball they mix it with molten tin because It hardens it and it makes it more valuable and it's going around a piece of iron. So That is the exact composition of what we have Now you cannot carbon date a musket ball But you can if it's lodged inside a bambi because you can carbon date the deer and there's no possible way that the deer And the musket ball are not the same age I mean the deer could be five years old or whatever But you know what I mean? They did that's what killed it. So just think about it for a second guys So we're very excited. We're gonna carbon date the deer and then we'll know the date of that jacket and musket ball And that's a very 16th century English weapon They kind of quit doing that around 1600 and you consider it's in the same level as the blacksmith shop and all the other stuff We got right which is take forever to go through all the stuff we've got but the new stuff Another new thing we have what a Rosetta stone you get a jacketed musket ball And it's still inside the animal and it hits it in the mouth like with you know What preserves the best is the enamel and stuff. Hey, what a luck a stroke of luck Not for the deer, but For us. Yeah, I know what a crazy thing There's a here's an exciting thing with there's a pig tooth that we've been hanging on to for 10 years and pigs are not from The new world better Right. So how did this pig tooth get here and the layer that it's in is kind of ambiguous. It's right in that late 15 early 1600s, right?

But they can date it Okay, then they're going to and if it comes back with a decent date they can do Further testing and tell if the pig was raised in England versus like Puerto Rico, right? And so one of the problems that we have all the time is when did they bring pigs to the new world like was that from Well from James they have any on the on the other risk voyages in the 15s They did the English brought they didn't bring any in 1584. That was their first time ever here But the second voyage in 1585 they brought pigs, but they stole them From Puerto Rico on the way here. They were at war with Spain, right? They stole two ships from Spain they ransomed officers and it says specifically for pigs and chickens which they took with them here So there's outside chance that it's from them that little voyage and 1585 Or if it's an English pig, it's probably from the 1587 group and there's no way we could have possibly known that Ten years ago, but did the science just wasn't there, you know And I hung on to it was kind of vague hope and maybe one day they'll be able to tell us more and now that day is home So it's really exciting to like science isn't dead man. Let's make science great again Two other things and I'll shut up. We got You know, there's metal jobs The bridge between history and science it really is it really is that's what makes it so fun I think it's the closest thing to time travel you can do without drugs um Those those metal cops that you you kind of have a trigger on the top and you push it down your thumb And it makes the lid open, right?

Yeah, like they used to have these big pewter ones that they would put wine in and Well, whatever they use them for all kinds of things but the little trigger that you put your thumb on where they're very ornamented or they used to be and They can there's a typology to them you can date on blah blah blah Well, we found one that's identical to a type that was made from 1580 to 1620 But there's no white people on Hatteras Island at all until like 1715 Except for the colony in the 1500s. They get trade goods start trickling in around 1650s But this is from before that so that's exciting and then this little tiny Weird shaped piece of copper. It kind of looks like a bowling pin And then you can tell right at the fat part of the bowling pin it starts to kind of Come together like the point of a leaf and then it broke right there and it's also starting Again of Lindsay Graham, you know about his magic trick No, he can make a bowling pin disappear. No, yeah, no hands. Yeah, too. I hear Yeah Anyway, yeah, this thing is uh, it's something called a guy to get kicked out of the Yankee candle shop They're like no sir. You cannot try this on Oh my god. Oh Well, that's the least of his issues man. That's that's the least bad thing about him, please get rid of that creature Yeah, please Well, we got a dress tag is what it's called the copper A bowling pin piece of copper. What could have been used for it? It's something we don't even have anymore. It's like, um The well the women that had money anyway had these things and it just hooks in it keeps your dress from coming up like uh It helps avoid ladies plumbers crack for ladies. I guess I don't know how to explain it but uh copper over here is like Gold so you immediately gonna cut those out of your dress and just trade them You know, you can get way more for it that way and One of those was actually in the bottom of a post hole of one of the longhouses That's kind of cool You know, all of this stuff has to go through more analysis. We got to date the pig tooth We got to figure out where the pig was raised which to me is insane. That's even possible But it is um You know the the flagging it looks good. There's one identical. We still got a you know um test and see the pewter Is the same um To the eyeball and it's 1700 1600 1500. It just looks gray, right?

But to an xrf machine you can get in there and break down the elemental makeup of it and there's typology of this stuff Because there's so much of it in europe You know, it's not like rare over there and they can they can get a um You know a huge sample and then you can compare the one you found and see, you know, which whatever you get it So it's exciting man. It's it's cool that some of this stuff we dug up 10 12 years ago And it's just now getting The the science is caught up to where you can cool that there was a black In the middle of an indian village and they were shooting deer enough enough such that you'd find a bullet in one right We find um Lead shot all the time like but usually not embedded in an animal and you see Bones that have been hit with musket balls. There's very obvious signs And there's very obvious signs that are hit with arrows which seems to be about 50 percent of the time Um that it's an arrow about 50 percent of time. It's a musket ball Of the what we find anyway, um And then the birds are almost always being hit with these little tiny musket balls Which we find all over the place. We find the molds and everything and we know they had firearms There's been a gunlock found like there's that you know, that's not a secret. Um It's just Yeah, we found the lost colony a long time ago. I think everybody knows that but it's just we're still pursuing the science anyway Can you see more idea of how long they survived and what they were doing?

I look pretty desperate. I mean they're repurposed everything you remember the arrowhead that's been chipped into Out of a wine glass and uh, they're repurposed the gun barrel. They repurposed there's a Metal class from the sea chest. They're all drills and tools. So but then again, they lived long enough to get desperate Right, but you're not going to take your door off and use the door hinge until you've run out of hatchets You know what I mean? So I think they struggled um my personal opinion which I've put in a book a long time ago Was the winter of 62 like 0102 um did them in because they get there in 87 In just five years into it is the coldest winter North Carolina's had In the last, you know, 500 years The newest river froze to the width of a mile and it normally doesn't freeze at all There was some volcano that I cannot pronounce the name of that blew up in Chile And it caused a global winter because of blah blah blah And loads of people in russia died the grapes didn't grow in italy that year. It was like severe but it was really bad in the new world and um I think that was probably when they started uh Repurpose and everything and and struggling is when they're contacted again You have natives with blue eyes and they're wearing english clothes and they said their ancestors are white people That came over all these names as well. They mentioned. Uh, yeah, they made it really clear But there were no english speaking like so they didn't thrive that good They passed some genes on and they're remembered and their stuff is still there, but they didn't you know what I mean?

They're all speaking algonquin and Basically just absorbed So I don't you know, they could have been bred out because it's such a ratio of men to women too. You're gonna have um Native wives and then their kids are most likely you're not gonna learn english Well 16 women and 101 men Um going into a tribe that's got a couple thousand people So yeah, yeah, they're gonna get breed it out as well, but um I also think they struggled because And you look at the other examples in jamestown they had 154 people die the first year and they had help from indians too, you know and uh, Plymouth struggled they all like these guys are like trying to die man. They can't even swim but um You know, we we didn't set out to do this to Debunk the lost colony myth. We did this because the crow of tolin Have been erased from the story and they're literally teaching in school to kids That the very word crow at tolin is some unknown thing they never heard of And that's a lie and that was created by the play ero Yeah, yeah, they'll reduce it to three letters instead of telling you is the whole word. It was both, you know Two different they wrote it one and a half times like once at the settlement site and once where they kept all their boats You know to make it clear and yeah, we've been through this everybody knows that And they asked them, you know, but this is your sign. Tell us where you're going Yeah, right down Was on maps in english letters on a palisade then that's where you went Yeah, he told him and well the governor upon seeing it said how happy he was He said I greatly enjoyed to find a certain token of their safety in a crow at tolin Which is a place romantio was born in the people that island our friends. There's nothing ambiguous about it Indians from that tribe Had gone to england and the long colony had native Crow atonement on the ship with them coming from england Manio was coming back from his second trip to england along with a guy named toway who was coming back from his first trip to england Wanchi said he'd already gone there and back before that with manio the first time the crow atonement had been going to england back and forth for three years in vice versa Harriet lived over here commiss Harriet for 14 months and they take a tall native and dress them all up in leather to Like try and get leather merchants to pay in the charger Yeah, wanchi's and um and manio were both described as being lusty fellows. They wanted to Entice them that it worked six of the seven ships that came in 1585 were sponsored by leather merchants Who wanted to get a return because they were getting 50 deer skin for like one copper pie or one hatchet and You know the the trade was never as good as in the super beginning, right? Because that's how economics work, but um, they still made like 160 return On their investment even after paying the guys to go and all that stuff so You know that's pretty good and it was it wasn't just leather they're getting pearls and tobacco and a lot of crap, but um mainly It's sticking into spain, you know, they stole a ship full of silver on the way home From the english perspective. This is just a side theater In the war with spain and they I just focused mostly on frances drake in the spanish ramada and all that and that's Makes sense because it's a way bigger event and it happens right next to them in english channel, right?

and they Never were closer to being defeated in that century at least well From the native american perspective, it's like aliens landing, you know, these guys their lives are never the same again and uh disease hit That you had a huge die-off right after this um The chief that was murdered his father and brother both died from english disease They had burned a village kidnapped people like it's awful but the secotin the mandawag the people that the english fought against Obviously Their lives sucked after that. I mean they murdered everybody um Not just the chief but the almost the whole council they ambushed they burned agus kakak They burned agus kakak to the ground. That was like the first major um Event like that was that was the first violent thing they did But they didn't kill anybody and then it just went downhill from there And they opened up on a a town with grape shop before they had even said a word Just because they they looked menacing, you know Ralph Lane is a terrible guy. He acted exactly the same way in ireland. He's just uh, at least he hated All people equally I guess You know, but um die from falling off a horse and injuring his butt or something He got knocked off a horse literally knocked off his high horse by some irish kid of the rock and he His own sword hit him in a spleen or something like that and he walled around in agony for months and died Probably a ginger kid Ralph Lane was a ginger You know, of course no Oh, well Yeah, it's cool. Man. This is cool. That is a justice Yeah, you know, you don't learn about these monsters and they don't really Yeah, it's like all all the natives east of the mississippi just didn't exist and uh, and uh The war is with the native start like after the civil war with custer or something. Well, then we mentioned the Cherokee a little bit Or maybe the seminal, but yeah, mostly east coast gets ignored bad There's the paladin story in the super beginning with fuck honus and then nothing Yeah, because of disney Yeah, yeah, you get a story that's right. You don't get on your history I know I know man. I I try dude. I try to get people. I you know, it's what I do like Not just this story, but you know, my whole sub stack is just tales from the centuries before and people the url to your sub stack I don't you know what it is, man Uh, history dude right that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't even have it updated. Well, it's a lot of pirate stuff Um, you know, there's a lot on Toronto, but you're on war. I think A little bit on Iran. Yeah. Hey for me. I did pretty good. I actually said a lot of artifacts being destroyed in Iran right now Priceless things Man, I know I know I hope they never hit like there's certain thing I don't even want to say it because it's it would be more likely to happen You know, there's certain places in jordan. Let's just say I hope that never get destroyed just Just things that can't be replaced, you know By people long gone I just find it fascinating man like, um You're sitting there and you know, there was a longhouse right here where you're standing You're basically in the living room of the house of 20-something people probably lived in there And they had a fire pit right there and they're smoking out of this tobacco pipe That was orange and it looked like this because you're looking at it. So you you don't have to really Imagine everything anymore because you can see some of it. Um I I just think that's so cool, man and it People will get really singularly focused on is that from the colonies? Like we're we're 100 years away. Let's just enjoy the way down You know, it's just some cool revolutionary war bayonet That's awesome, you know Or something from the civil war in the 1860s It's not nearly as old but it's still like they're all gone. The people that made all that will never be here again um It's just I I wish that we honored the past a little bit better Than we do and maybe it's because america is so young who knows I think it's worse than that. I mean they blow up schools with the children in them. So Anyway, thanks for the update and I'll plug your stuff and we'll see you soon Yeah, just just for anybody that gives a shit really i'm not trying to sell anything. It's just uh Hey, this is the news We'll see what happens. This is history. This is british and american and native american history and Yeah, I want to prepare everything I'll come back in a couple weeks and let you know what happened with the pig tooth and all the other stuff Like there's always something man. Like you don't even know what's gonna be You know, I think Puerto Rican pig is fantastic. Oh, no, I said that I think he's a Puerto Rican pig You think so? I hope not because that would be the 1585 guys. I'd rather be 87 But you know what it might be a pig from 1630 and it doesn't matter You know what I mean, but well, but now at least we can find out and before we're kind of couldn't You know, all right, we'll see cool